Thursday, April 30, 2020

Cooling fan running permanently on Mercedes A150 (W169)

Cooling fan running permanently on Mercedes A150 (W169)


After a small accident with my A-Klasse (W169), the people in the dealer services replaced the radiator. A few weeks later the cooling fan started working permanently in "turbo mode". This resulted in the difficult warming up of the engine and the complete discharge of the battery. After another visit to the dealer, the problem was solved.
A few months later, during the summer period, I saw a few times the indicator for engine overheating on the board. One day decided to take a look and I realized that the cooling fan is not operational. A quick check revealed that the guys from the dealer service "fixed" the problem by cutting the power line to the fan control module. After restoring the power line, the fan started to spin permanently again. Since this was after the warranty period, and impossible to prove who cut the cable, I asked them about fix and they give me an offer for approx 2000.00 Eur, and I decided to leave it like this for the moment. After almost a year the fan gave some defects and become noisy and producing vibration in the car front. Spending a few hours disassembling the fan holder I found that there is a crack in the rotor, which was resulting in dis-balancing it -> vibrations. I fixed it and the fan became silent again, but still going in "turbo" mode.

For a period I was searching any kind of information about this problem and found multiple posts, related to fan control unit defects, disconnected data lines, engine coolant sensors, etc. Going after any of these cases resulted in nothing. 

Week ago, by incidence, I saw the following post: https://au.autologic.com/news/engine-cooling-fan-running-at-constant-high-speed . This description sounded reasonable, so I decided to give it a go. I have iCarsoft V1.0 tester which I used to check the parameters from the post. The results were:

- at engine start (fan is still):



- a few seconds later (fan spinning):

- a minute later (fan spinning):

- A/C refrigerant pressure:

From the last test, I concluded that the problem is in the A/C refrigerant pressure sensor (A 211 000 02 83).  I found in the Mercedes documentation the location of the sensor and was able to access it from under the front. So I found that actually, the connector is out - the sensor is disconnected. It was not possible to connect it by unknown reason, so was necessary to access it, following procedure from document AR83.30-P-5430AK, step 3.1 only - removing front bumper (described in document AR88.20-P-2000AK). 

After the front bumper was removed, I was able to access the sensor, as shown here:


The connector was no possible to be inserted completely which makes a necessary part of the ribbon sealant from the 'female' connector to be cut and taken away. Then the connector entered completely and locked into position. 

I ran all the tests again, and got these results (this time the refrigerant pressure was indicated and it was approx 6Bar):

- at engine start (fan is still):


- A/C is on for 10-15 sec (fan spinning fast):

- A/C is off for about a minute (fan spinning slow):

- a few minutes later (fan is off):


- after a while, when the engine temperature is around 100 centigrades (fan spinning slow):

- after a few minutes, the engine temperature is lower (fan is off):

This is how I succeeded in resolving this painful issue, which was going to generate a lot of expenses only because the people in the dealer service did not finish their job :(

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Tuesday, April 26, 2016

Strange problem with Mercedes A150 (W169)

Two weeks ago I have got a strange problem with my Mercedes when driving in the city. The car started losing power until it stopped. Board computer showing "ESP Problem" and engine running between 1200-1800 RPMs as seen on that short video:


I have tried to find any information on the Internet with no result. In general, there is almost no technical info for that model of A-Klasse.
Using ODB2 scan cable and software I found two errors, pointing to the throttle valve: P2118 and P2119. No other errors recorded.
What I did next was to take the throttle body out of the car, following these steps:

1. Disconnect the negative line from the car battery!
2. Remove the air filter and ECU from the air filter body.
3. Disconnect the vacuum compensatory tube (part of the braking system) from the side of the engine.
4. Disconnect the airway tube between the air filter body and the front bumper.
5. Remove the air filter body.
6. Disconnect the cable for the throttle valve and removing the valve.



The valve was blocked with a lot of tar-like substance and was not mobile. Cleaning it did not make it move at all, just cleaner :) Then I have decided to check the mechanical part of the throttle valve by removing the plastic cover of it. After the cover was removed, I saw the reason for the problem - the marked with red gear has few smashed cogs, blocking the movement of the valve. Fast check at the local Mercedes Benz dealer, resulted in 800EUR price for a new throttle body.

As a temporary solution, I have taken the gear out a little - just to be possible to free spin it and turn it with few degrees, enough to pass the broken cogs and go on the good ones. That's a very temporary solution with risk more cogs to break and with potential problems when the valve should be fully opened.